Sibel Edmonds testimony about Marc Grossman |
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(Q By MR. MARINO and A by Sibel Edmonds) Page 55 2Q Okay. I mean, do you know have you contributed to it or do you know people who do contribute to it? 5A No. I know many people, they give me mainstream media articles or any reports. They put it in there, but, no, I haven't contributed. 9Q When you've looked at it, have you thought that it's generally accurate about most of the statements? 13Q One of the things that it indicates in your biographical information is that you've made certain allegations. Some of them we've talked about a little bit, and I wanted to ask you about some of the others. One of the entries indicates nuclear secrets black market, and it says, "Edmonds alleges that in the course of herwork for the government she found evidence that the FBI, State Department and Pentagon 8A That information is correct, and if ever -- you can get, I would say, those government organizations and others. There's another place missing there. They list the State Department itself, but there is one other place that's missing. 14Q And what is that place? 15A That would be RAND Corporation. 16Q And can you tell me about the -- give me some more information about the Turkish and Israeli run intelligence network that is referred to there? 20A This information has been public, documenting methods of intelligence gathering. Yes. Through certain U.S. officials, Page 57 6Q All right. 7A Their operations, and some of these layers sometimes they conduct their operations independently and with the sole purpose of obtaining a profit, and therefore, the information they obtain, let's say, the nuclear or weapons technology, weapons technology related information doesn't necessarily only go to Turkey or Israel, but they sell it to the highest bidder. That's how they operate. They contact their people whether it's in ISI, in Washington, D.C. part of the military attache for Pakistani intelligence, or the certain Saudi business people in Detroit may be contacted, and they say, okay, and talk about these Turkish entities. This is we have obtained this Page 58 16Q When you refer to the or when the article refers to the paid, high ranking American officials, can you identify who they are? 20A That person has been identified by others. Page 59 4Q Right, and Mr. Grossman, I think, was also in your gallery, correct? 7Q And I read somewhere that Mr. Grossman had some relationships with a Turkish organization, Turkish diplomats here in the United States. 11A Yes. He had very, very close relationship with not only Turkish diplomatic communities and entities, but business and also some of these criminal layer operatives that I told you about. Currently, that he's nor working; he actually is working for a Turkish company called Ihals Holding. 18Q Okay. Now, was Mr. Grossman the ambassador to Turkey at some point? 21Q Okay, and then what was his position at the State Department, if you 2A He had several different positions. I believe in 1999 or 2000, was European Affairs. That dealt a lot with NATO, and afterwards during early bush administration's stage, he was the second or the third highest person in the State Department. I'm not sure about the title. 9Q Okay, and during that time -- I'm sorry -- during that time when he was the second or third highest ranking person in State, I've read somewhere that you've alleged that he actually warned the Turkish Embassy about a CIA front company that had been set up to stop proliferation of nuclear weapons. 16A That would be summer 2001. Whatever title he held at that point, he, Mr. Grossman, informed a certain Turkish diplomatic entity who was also an independent operative of a company called Brewster Jennings because Brewster Jennings was frequenting the American Turkish Council as a Page 61 21Q And now was this one of the allegations or one of the concerns that you Page 62 3A You mean when I was working for the FBI -- 6A -- and I blew the whistle inside the FBI? 8Q Right. 9A No, I didn't do it inside the FBI because at that point I didn't know they were covering up this information. Only after I was fired and the State Secrets Privilege was invoked, and knowing what I knew, I went to Congress and discussed it with certain people in Congress. I brought it up with the Inspector General's Office inside during a meeting, and at that point will provide them the details in terms of dates and who were those targets, which I can't provide right now, the direct targets. 21Q And when you say "the Inspector General's Office," do you mean a DOJ Inspector
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